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From: Martin Hosken <martin_hosken@sil.org>
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 00:37:25 +0700
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Subject: Re: PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license
To: Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com>
Cc: Phil M Perry <phil4597@catskilltech.com>, Steve Simms <steve@deefs.net>, 
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    I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::API2 code
    under the terms of MIT license.

GB,
Martin

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 20:27 Petr Pisar, <ppisar@redhat.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:52:18PM +0700, Martin Hosken wrote:
> > I'm happy to take recommendations on preferred licenses. I would also b=
e
> > happy to go all the way to MIT if that helps. Persuade me (not hard) an=
d
> > then I might ask someone else to do the work? I am no longer actively
> > supporting this code.
> >
> First accept my appology for my silence.
>
> I'm glad you are willing to help us and to relicense your PDF::API2 code.
> It's
> indeed only a matter of sending us an e-mail message that you grant anybo=
dy
> permission to use that code under the new license. I can see you like MIT
> license and that works for us. Current PDF::API2 maintainer would rather
> see
> LGPL, but that's not a show stopper for him.
>
> If you want to go with MIT license, just send as a text like this:
>
>     I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::API2 code
>     under the terms of MIT license.
>
> If you want to go with LGPL license, then use a text like this:
>
>     I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::API2 code
>     under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License version 2.1,
> or
>     any later version.
>
> You can simply reply to this e-mail. That's all we need from you. You
> don't have
> to make any commits or software releases anywhere.
>
> -- Petr
>
>
> > > Does anyone have a contact for Ulrich Pfeifer (original author of
> > > Matrix.pm)? Steve, did you get in touch with him already?
> > >
> > > If Martin and Ulrich are on board for the Basic/PDF/ routines and
> > > Matrix.pm, that should do it (for conversion to LGPL) unless there's
> > > some license statement lurking somewhere behind odd and obscure
> language.
> > >
> > > Alfred: yeah, it's still moderately useful.  =F0=9F=98=81
> > >
> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > Subject:    Aw: Fwd: PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license
> > > Date:       Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:55:54 +0100
> > > From:       Alfred Reibenschuh <alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net>
> > > To:         phil4597@catskilltech.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > hello
> > > yes, i can be considered as part of the circle of authors.
> > > i give the permission to relicense all code in PDF::API2
> > > orginating from me to LGPL version 2.1
> > > i hope that my creation is still considered useful.
> > > Alfred Reibenschuh (alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net)
> > > yours,
> > > Alfred Reibenschuh (alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net)
> > > --
> > > *Gesendet:* Freitag, 13. November 2020 um 01:57 Uhr
> > > *Von:* "Phil M Perry" <phil4597@catskilltech.com>
> > > *An:* "Alfred Reibenschuh" <alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net>
> > > *Cc:* "Steve Simms" <steve@deefs.net>, Martin_Hosken@sil.org, "Petr
> > > Pisar" <ppisar@redhat.com>
> > > *Betreff:* Fwd: PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license
> > >
> > > Hi Alfred,
> > >
> > > I don't know if you count as an "author" for the purposes of this
> > > discussion, but it might be good to get you in the loop as the
> previous
> > > PDF::API2 maintainer. The bottom line is that we may need to get
> > > previous authors' permissions in order to change the licenses used in
> > > PDF::API2 (and PDF::Builder, a fork) to be all LGPL. Martin is alread=
y
> > > on the discussion; I don't know if there's anyone else who should be
> in
> > > here. I'll have to look and see if there's an author listed for the
> > > "same as Perl" module.
> > >
> > > Phil Perry (PDF::Builder owner)
> > >
> > > -------- Forwarded Message --------
> > > Subject:    PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license
> > > Date:       Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:03:01 +0100
> > > From:       Petr Pisar <ppisar@redhat.com>
> > > To:         Martin_Hosken@sil.org
> > > CC:         Steve Simms <steve@deefs.net>, Phil Perry <
> phil4597@catskilltech.com>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I found you are a copyright holder of various PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::=
*
> Perl
> > > modules. E.g. lib/PDF/API2/Basic/PDF/Array.pm file from PDF-API2-2.03=
8
> > > software available at
> > > <
> https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SS/SSIMMS/PDF-API2-2.038.tar.gz>
> > > reads:
> > >
> > >
> #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > > #
> > > # THIS IS A REUSED PERL MODULE, FOR PROPER LICENCING TERMS SEE BELOW:
> > > #
> > > # Copyright Martin Hosken <Martin_Hosken@sil.org>
> > > #
> > > # No warranty or expression of effectiveness, least of all regarding
> > > # anyone's safety, is implied in this software or documentation.
> > > #
> > > # This specific module is licensed under the Perl Artistic License.
> > > #
> > >
> #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
> > >
> > > If I understand it correctly, you refer to this license
> > > <https://dev.perl.org/licenses/artistic.html>.
> > >
> > > The code (Array.pm, Bool.pm, Dict.pm, File.pm, Filter.pm, Name.pm,
> Null.pm,
> > > Number.pm, Objind.pm, Page.pm, Pages.pm, String.pm, and Utils.pm
> files)
> > > found
> > > its way to PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder software distributions. Both usin=
g
> > > LGPLv2.1+ (GNU Lesser General Public License version 2.1 or later)
> license.
> > >
> > > I'd like to distribute PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder including your files =
in
> > > a Fedora Linux distribution, but your Perl Artistic License possesses
> an
> > > issue
> > > for me, Fedora, and probably for PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder maintainers
> (CCed)
> > > and their users.
> > >
> > > The problem with Perl Artistic License is that it is not, according t=
o
> Free
> > > Software Foundation
> > > <https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ArtisticLicense> and
> Fedora
> > > legal team <https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Bad_License=
s
> >
> > > author, compatible with (L)GPL. That prevents me from packaging the
> software
> > > for Fedora and puts other PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder users to a legal
> risk.
> > >
> > > May I kindly ask you to relicense the code under a license compatible
> with
> > > LGPLv2.1 license? E.g. dual-licensing with GPL as Perl does
> > > <https://dev.perl.org/licenses/> using this wordings:
> > >
> > > This library is free software; you can redistribute it
> > > and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself.
> > >
> > > Or explicitly allowing LGPL, like:
> > >
> > > This specific module is licensed under the Perl Artistic License or
> > > the GNU Lesser General Public License.
> > >
> > > would be great.
> > >
> > > Can you help us like that?
> > >
> > > -- Petr
> >
>

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<div dir=3D"auto"><span style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::A=
PI2 code</span><br style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px"><span =
style=3D"font-family:sans-serif;font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0 =C2=A0 under the t=
erms of MIT license.</span><br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">=
GB,<br>Martin</div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" cl=
ass=3D"gmail_attr">On Thu, 28 Jan 2021, 20:27 Petr Pisar, &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:ppisar@redhat.com">ppisar@redhat.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br></div><blockquo=
te class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc so=
lid;padding-left:1ex">On Tue, Nov 17, 2020 at 11:52:18PM +0700, Martin Hosk=
en wrote:<br>
&gt; I&#39;m happy to take recommendations on preferred licenses. I would a=
lso be<br>
&gt; happy to go all the way to MIT if that helps. Persuade me (not hard) a=
nd<br>
&gt; then I might ask someone else to do the work? I am no longer actively<=
br>
&gt; supporting this code.<br>
&gt; <br>
First accept my appology for my silence.<br>
<br>
I&#39;m glad you are willing to help us and to relicense your PDF::API2 cod=
e. It&#39;s<br>
indeed only a matter of sending us an e-mail message that you grant anybody=
<br>
permission to use that code under the new license. I can see you like MIT<b=
r>
license and that works for us. Current PDF::API2 maintainer would rather se=
e<br>
LGPL, but that&#39;s not a show stopper for him.<br>
<br>
If you want to go with MIT license, just send as a text like this:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::A=
PI2 code<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 under the terms of MIT license.<br>
<br>
If you want to go with LGPL license, then use a text like this:<br>
<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 I, Martin Hosken, grant anybody a permission to use my PDF::A=
PI2 code<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 under the terms of the GNU Lesser General Public License vers=
ion 2.1, or<br>
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 any later version.<br>
<br>
You can simply reply to this e-mail. That&#39;s all we need from you. You d=
on&#39;t have<br>
to make any commits or software releases anywhere.<br>
<br>
-- Petr<br>
<br>
<br>
&gt; &gt; Does anyone have a contact for Ulrich Pfeifer (original author of=
 <br>
&gt; &gt; Matrix.pm)? Steve, did you get in touch with him already?<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; If Martin and Ulrich are on board for the Basic/PDF/ routines and=
 <br>
&gt; &gt; Matrix.pm, that should do it (for conversion to LGPL) unless ther=
e&#39;s <br>
&gt; &gt; some license statement lurking somewhere behind odd and obscure l=
anguage.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Alfred: yeah, it&#39;s still moderately useful.=C2=A0 =F0=9F=98=
=81<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Aw: Fwd: PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules l=
icense<br>
&gt; &gt; Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Tue, 17 Nov 2020 15:55:54 +0100<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Alfred Reibenschuh &lt;<a href=3D=
"mailto:alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">alf=
redreibenschuh@gmx.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:phil4597@c=
atskilltech.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">phil4597@catskilltech=
.com</a><br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; hello<br>
&gt; &gt; yes, i can be considered as part of the circle of authors.<br>
&gt; &gt; i give the permission to relicense all code in PDF::API2<br>
&gt; &gt; orginating from me=C2=A0to=C2=A0LGPL version 2.1<br>
&gt; &gt; i hope that my creation is still considered useful.<br>
&gt; &gt; Alfred Reibenschuh (<a href=3D"mailto:alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net</a>)<br>
&gt; &gt; yours,<br>
&gt; &gt; Alfred Reibenschuh (<a href=3D"mailto:alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net" =
target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">alfredreibenschuh@gmx.net</a>)<br>
&gt; &gt; --<br>
&gt; &gt; *Gesendet:*=C2=A0Freitag, 13. November 2020 um 01:57 Uhr<br>
&gt; &gt; *Von:*=C2=A0&quot;Phil M Perry&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil45=
97@catskilltech.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">phil4597@catskill=
tech.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; *An:*=C2=A0&quot;Alfred Reibenschuh&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:a=
lfredreibenschuh@gmx.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">alfredreiben=
schuh@gmx.net</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; *Cc:*=C2=A0&quot;Steve Simms&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:steve@de=
efs.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">steve@deefs.net</a>&gt;, <a h=
ref=3D"mailto:Martin_Hosken@sil.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">M=
artin_Hosken@sil.org</a>, &quot;Petr <br>
&gt; &gt; Pisar&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ppisar@redhat.com" target=3D"_b=
lank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ppisar@redhat.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; *Betreff:*=C2=A0Fwd: PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hi Alfred,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I don&#39;t know if you count as an &quot;author&quot; for the pu=
rposes of this <br>
&gt; &gt; discussion, but it might be good to get you in the loop as the pr=
evious <br>
&gt; &gt; PDF::API2 maintainer. The bottom line is that we may need to get =
<br>
&gt; &gt; previous authors&#39; permissions in order to change the licenses=
 used in <br>
&gt; &gt; PDF::API2 (and PDF::Builder, a fork) to be all LGPL. Martin is al=
ready <br>
&gt; &gt; on the discussion; I don&#39;t know if there&#39;s anyone else wh=
o should be in <br>
&gt; &gt; here. I&#39;ll have to look and see if there&#39;s an author list=
ed for the <br>
&gt; &gt; &quot;same as Perl&quot; module.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Phil Perry (PDF::Builder owner)<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -------- Forwarded Message --------<br>
&gt; &gt; Subject:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 PDF::API2::Basic::PDF::* modules license<br=
>
&gt; &gt; Date:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:03:01 +0100<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; From:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Petr Pisar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
ppisar@redhat.com" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">ppisar@redhat.com</=
a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; To:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0<a href=3D"mailto:Martin_Hos=
ken@sil.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Martin_Hosken@sil.org</a>=
<br>
&gt; &gt; CC:=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Steve Simms &lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:steve@deefs.net" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">steve@deefs.net=
</a>&gt;, Phil Perry &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:phil4597@catskilltech.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">phil4597@catskilltech.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Hello,<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I found you are a copyright holder of various PDF::API2::Basic::P=
DF::* Perl<br>
&gt; &gt; modules. E.g. lib/PDF/API2/Basic/PDF/Array.pm file from PDF-API2-=
2.038<br>
&gt; &gt; software available at<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SS/SSIMMS/P=
DF-API2-2.038.tar.gz" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https=
://cpan.metacpan.org/authors/id/S/SS/SSIMMS/PDF-API2-2.038.tar.gz</a>&gt;<b=
r>
&gt; &gt; reads:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
<br>
&gt; &gt; #<br>
&gt; &gt; # THIS IS A REUSED PERL MODULE, FOR PROPER LICENCING TERMS SEE BE=
LOW:<br>
&gt; &gt; #<br>
&gt; &gt; # Copyright Martin Hosken &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:Martin_Hosken@sil=
.org" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">Martin_Hosken@sil.org</a>&gt;<br=
>
&gt; &gt; #<br>
&gt; &gt; # No warranty or expression of effectiveness, least of all regard=
ing<br>
&gt; &gt; # anyone&#39;s safety, is implied in this software or documentati=
on.<br>
&gt; &gt; #<br>
&gt; &gt; # This specific module is licensed under the Perl Artistic Licens=
e.<br>
&gt; &gt; #<br>
&gt; &gt; #=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=
<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; If I understand it correctly, you refer to this license<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://dev.perl.org/licenses/artistic.html" rel=
=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://dev.perl.org/licenses/=
artistic.html</a>&gt;.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; The code (Array.pm, Bool.pm, Dict.pm, File.pm, Filter.pm, Name.pm=
, Null.pm,<br>
&gt; &gt; Number.pm, Objind.pm, Page.pm, Pages.pm, String.pm, and Utils.pm =
files) <br>
&gt; &gt; found<br>
&gt; &gt; its way to PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder software distributions. Both =
using<br>
&gt; &gt; LGPLv2.1+ (GNU Lesser General Public License version 2.1 or later=
) license.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; I&#39;d like to distribute PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder including you=
r files in<br>
&gt; &gt; a Fedora Linux distribution, but your Perl Artistic License posse=
sses an <br>
&gt; &gt; issue<br>
&gt; &gt; for me, Fedora, and probably for PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder maintai=
ners (CCed)<br>
&gt; &gt; and their users.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; The problem with Perl Artistic License is that it is not, accordi=
ng to Free<br>
&gt; &gt; Software Foundation<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#Art=
isticLicense" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://www.g=
nu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ArtisticLicense</a>&gt; and Fedora<br>
&gt; &gt; legal team &lt;<a href=3D"https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensin=
g:Main#Bad_Licenses" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https:=
//fedoraproject.org/wiki/Licensing:Main#Bad_Licenses</a>&gt;<br>
&gt; &gt; author, compatible with (L)GPL. That prevents me from packaging t=
he software<br>
&gt; &gt; for Fedora and puts other PDF-API2 and PDF-Builder users to a leg=
al risk.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; May I kindly ask you to relicense the code under a license compat=
ible with<br>
&gt; &gt; LGPLv2.1 license? E.g. dual-licensing with GPL as Perl does<br>
&gt; &gt; &lt;<a href=3D"https://dev.perl.org/licenses/" rel=3D"noreferrer =
noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">https://dev.perl.org/licenses/</a>&gt; using =
this wordings:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; This library is free software; you can redistribute it<br>
&gt; &gt; and/or modify it under the same terms as Perl itself.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Or explicitly allowing LGPL, like:<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; This specific module is licensed under the Perl Artistic License =
or<br>
&gt; &gt; the GNU Lesser General Public License.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; would be great.<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; Can you help us like that?<br>
&gt; &gt; <br>
&gt; &gt; -- Petr<br>
&gt; <br>
</blockquote></div>

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